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View Poll Results: Who would you rather meet on the trail?
Horse Folks 3 15.79%
ATV riders 15 78.95%
4x4's 11 57.89%
Side x Sides 12 63.16%
Hikers 9 47.37%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 19. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-12-2017, 09:40 AM   #11
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There's not enough available land for multi use, with most other user groups. Until people get off their high horse ego of not wanting to, or be able to share trails with other user groups, fighting to open future trails is pretty much a lost cause.

Neighboring states have proven that multi use works...time and time again. You may not always be 100% happy, but they at least have a place to ride.
You want your own private place to ride, buy a home with land and build it yourself. Public land shouldn't be limited to anyone that pays taxes.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:17 AM   #12
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There's not enough available land for multi use, with most other user groups. Until people get off their high horse ego of not wanting to, or be able to share trails with other user groups, fighting to open future trails is pretty much a lost cause.

Neighboring states have proven that multi use works...time and time again. You may not always be 100% happy, but they at least have a place to ride.
You want your own private place to ride, buy a home with land and build it yourself. Public land shouldn't be limited to anyone that pays taxes.
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I don't disagree with any of this.

I love MTB trails and I love hiking trails. They're both very different. I don't take my wife hiking at Rockland or Case. I don't take my bicycles to the Mattabesett Trail. Trails each have their purpose. Multiuse is never ideal.

The question was who would you rather meet on a trail. The answer is, who ever is doing exactly what I'm doing on that trail which is the intended purpose of that trail.

Many MTB trails weave in an S pattern all the time giving you maximum riding distance. Many hiking trails are as straight as possible giving you the fastest route. Many off road motorized trails are big on tough features to challenge you. This is not a bad thing to keep separated. Again, Multiuse sucks. They also have a name for them already. I believe they are called roads.
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:03 PM   #13
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Motorized trails only. I don't give a shit about 4x4, sxs, atv, the new electric assist mountain bikes, or whatever. They will gravitate to the parts of the trail system that are fun for them. Obviously good signage will go a long way. I'm talking a big map on a board with colored blazes and descriptions of what each color means. Signs at trail intersections with name, distance and vehicle intention. Most of the irritation and confusion in New England regarding trails is lack of documentation. Pointing out signage and getting improper/illegal users out is far easier than what most of CT has right now... a parking lot and a gap into the woods. Horse and motorized trails shouldn't be considered co-existing anymore than they already do in CT. It's just a shit show.

Hikers, horses and mountain bikes are fine sharing their own stuff. Sometimes it sucks... but that's a user problem usually.


I will say, look long and hard at the new problems arising at Mooween. Its a new (fall 2016) mountain biking trail, done officially through Central CT NEMBA and DEEP. Some of the townsfolk has decided to flip their shit over parking (17 space lot supposedly was to be added) and trail routing (too close to abutting private properties in a couple spots). And of course the blessed hikers. It's not enough that the state is involved, the locals have to be also (see whatever that track in NY was that had all the issues with the locals).

edit: I got tired of waiting for years to get more local riding areas - I sold my dirt bike and now just ride the mountain bike. Much easier legal and local access.

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:01 PM   #14
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Motorized trails only. I don't give a shit about 4x4, sxs, atv, the new electric assist mountain bikes, or whatever. They will gravitate to the parts of the trail system that are fun for them. Obviously good signage will go a long way. I'm talking a big map on a board with colored blazes and descriptions of what each color means. Signs at trail intersections with name, distance and vehicle intention. Most of the irritation and confusion in New England regarding trails is lack of documentation. Pointing out signage and getting improper/illegal users out is far easier than what most of CT has right now... a parking lot and a gap into the woods. Horse and motorized trails shouldn't be considered co-existing anymore than they already do in CT. It's just a shit show.

Hikers, horses and mountain bikes are fine sharing their own stuff. Sometimes it sucks... but that's a user problem usually.


I will say, look long and hard at the new problems arising at Mooween. Its a new (fall 2016) mountain biking trail, done officially through Central CT NEMBA and DEEP. Some of the townsfolk has decided to flip their shit over parking (17 space lot supposedly was to be added) and trail routing (too close to abutting private properties in a couple spots). And of course the blessed hikers. It's not enough that the state is involved, the locals have to be also (see whatever that track in NY was that had all the issues with the locals).

edit: I got tired of waiting for years to get more local riding areas - I sold my dirt bike and now just ride the mountain bike. Much easier legal and local access.
I know you enjoy biking... I enjoy hiking with the dogs and I couldn't throw MB in with hikers and horses. my experiences is that they destroy pristine walking trails and Ive actually been struck by MB in 2 parks (gay city) and (Bolton Notch) Ive had a leash that was attached to my dog at the time run over as well.(gay city) Ive had a group of MB riding on a trail system that says very large and very clear NO BICYCLES on the only entrance not to mention hitting my car at Patchaug...

every group thinks they are OK.... but most simply dont give a rats ass about anyone else but themselves and people like themselves and taking 1 minute to wait NOT go 70mph or allowing others to enjoy a space is too much of an inconvenience for a person...

its a lack of respect for each other that is the issue at hand.
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I know you enjoy biking... I enjoy hiking with the dogs and I couldn't throw MB in with hikers and horses. my experiences is that they destroy pristine walking trails and Ive actually been struck by MB in 2 parks (gay city) and (Bolton Notch) Ive had a leash that was attached to my dog at the time run over as well.(gay city) Ive had a group of MB riding on a trail system that says very large and very clear NO BICYCLES on the only entrance not to mention hitting my car at Patchaug...

every group thinks they are OK.... but most simply dont give a rats ass about anyone else but themselves and people like themselves and taking 1 minute to wait NOT go 70mph or allowing others to enjoy a space is too much of an inconvenience for a person...

its a lack of respect for each other that is the issue at hand.
Lived in Baltimore area for a year, one of my favorite trail areas (part of Patapsco) was multi-use, hiking, biking and horseback riding. 99.9% of the users got along just fine. Everyone understood the rules of the trail and acted accordingly. If people didn't, the authorities were involved. Everyone kept each other honest and actually went out of their way to help each other out.

Don't give me the pristine hiking trail bullshit. Bikers cause no more damage than hikers do. It's a well studied fact. Most trail erosion is due to shitty trail design, and is usually (not always) the old trails that were desigend as direct point a to point b and not at all designed to be sustainable. Hikers and bikers both cause equal damage during times when they shouldn't be out there. And don't get me going on the number of hikers with dogs that can't control their animals off or on leash. Given that I've been snapped at twice and had to violently break up 2 dogs attacking my dog, I really don't care what the local hikers think.
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I'm sorry you had to deal with that It does suck when pet owners lack control of their pets. It effects everyone. Having a dog off leash in a park where the state law is ON LEASH AT ALL TIMES is a responsibility. I spend allot of time and trained my dogs and my dogs recall reliably and I get them on leash quickly It would be better if the bikers would slow down to allow me to do that but thats my issue. some do some dont a few have been aggressive with how they pass which isn't nice...

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and had to violently break up 2 dogs attacking my dog,
you have to know I love dogs....again this sucks no winners there but dogs on leashes or with a reliable recall can help prevent this. I dont know what the story is but ill guess your dog was off leash (hard to ride a mtn bike with a dog on a leash) and thats a risk it totally sucks but it is what it is pets are a responsibility.

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You'd think Keith rode horses from how high he's sitting on his right now.
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You'd think Keith rode horses from how high he's sitting on his right now.
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All kidding aside, horses are the worst. No other user leaves huge piles of shit right in the center of the trail, every fricken 50 feet, leaves huge ankle twisting hoof holes to freeze solid in the winter, and expects everyone else to tiptoe around so that every encounter with another user doesn't turn into a Chris Reeves paralyzing catastrophe when the thing freaks out and loops the rider off onto the most comically ineffective helmet I've ever seen in any sport or hobby.

On the other hand, Mr Ed was funny as hell
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