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Old 08-05-2018, 03:09 PM   #1
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So I was having some trouble with my transmission in my Ninja 650 this weekend at Thompson. The tranny would not stay in fourth gear and kept popping out as I was coming off the gas going into the corners, or downshifting through fourth. Assume there is something broken or worn, but I was wondering if anyone else ever experienced this and what the resolution was.

By the way, it really sucks when the transmission pops out of gear and re-engages and then pops out again as you are trying to set-up and get through a corner.
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Old 08-05-2018, 03:17 PM   #2
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Maybe time for new clutch plates? Totally guessing here though.
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Old 08-05-2018, 03:38 PM   #3
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I think... if it was clutch slipping... youd experience high revs as you get on the gas out of a corner and not entering it.


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Old 08-05-2018, 03:50 PM   #4
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Most likely one of your dog teeth is worn out on one of the gears, happened on my YZF600R and I had to tear apart th engine to fix it.

Its the little knob thats sticks into the next gear over - your symptoms are exactly in line with this issue:

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Old 08-05-2018, 04:24 PM   #5
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Kawasaki worm dogs and slots or bent forks are common

On accel / decel popping in and out dogs / slots
On shifts in and out forks

And oh I’ve had it happen i know the feeling. Went hot into T1 racing... popped out pre apex lost momentum too to make the turn had to check up and crossed lines with another racer
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:51 PM   #6
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Most likely one of your dog teeth is worn out on one of the gears, happened on my YZF600R and I had to tear apart th engine to fix it.

Its the little knob thats sticks into the next gear over - your symptoms are exactly in line with this issue:
Kind of what I was thinking, but don't want to believe! haha
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Old 08-05-2018, 04:55 PM   #7
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And oh Ive had it happen i know the feeling. Went hot into T1 racing... popped out pre apex lost momentum too to make the turn had to check up and crossed lines with another racer
This is exactly the symptom. Was just waiting for someone to asspack me as I'm freewheeling through the corner.

Actually had it dropping out, and re-engaging sporadically as I'm going into the corner, so I started to just pull the clutch in. Eventually I just skipped fourth gear altogether. Since it was raining, it made it easier to be short shifting, or just hanging at the top of third until I got to the corner.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:04 PM   #8
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Not sure on the 650 but im guessing you'll have to split the cases or.....

Drain, drop the pan, and put on its side. Might be able to get a decent visual inspection, on mine I could.
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Shift drum. Reach out to Scott Mullin at Souhegan about it. It's a common issue on the Kawi 650R, and I believe the symptom matches up to what you're describing.
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Old 08-05-2018, 05:43 PM   #10
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Actually Kurtz is also right could be the drum too but if you’re going as far as removing / inspecting the drum throw some new forks too
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