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    So lets talk about getting myself a B bike. My main bike is gsxr 750 which works fine and has most things you would want in a bike. What I'm looking to do is buy/build a second bike that is cheaper to run and cheaper to build. Ideally it would also serve 2 other purposes. One being to comfort my wife on some of the noticeably faster tracks while I'm riding and the other being a possible A bike for her next season. She has expressed some interest on doing a track day but her personal bike is not fit for the track. I need a bike she could be able to ride safely which means slowish and capable. Her personal bike is a cb400 and she won't go above that for now. So that means less than 400cc and that really means a 250 or 300.
    That being said I can really only think of a couple bikes that fit that category. A ninja, a cbr, a ktm and an r3. Due to the ktm and r3 being new and therefore expensive they are out. The ninja and cbr 300 are also new and too expensive. That leaves me with a ninja and cbr, both of which have decent aftermarket support.
    I've been leaning towards an older stlye ninja just due to cost. It's easy to pick one up for under a grand. A newer gen one in either a ninja or cbr seems to start at around 2 grand. I'm not sure that extra money will result in that much added performance. On the ninja side I can really only see tire selection as being the key difference. Suspension wise they seem the same after they are upgraded. Some people say the older gen is a slightly better bike due to less weight and slightly better power curve on the motor. I'm sure there are
    Other differences but none that stand out to me as critical. From all research it looks like and old gen ninja can perform as good or slightly better than a newer one but let's face it, it looks like poo now.
    The cbr seems like it loses to the ninja in nearly every way shape and form. I don't think it's a good choice at all.

    Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions? I know buying a bigger set up bike would make the most sense but that's probably not going to work for this bike purchase. Small cc and cheap is the name of the game here. An sv seems like the best option but I will never, ever get her to ride it, ever. It would sit and collect dust unless I didn't want to or couldn't ride the 750. That seems pointless to me.

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    Why not an SV with a throttle stop?

    Otherwise I'd go Ninja. 250 or 500 depending on what you find as they tend to get well loved.

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    I've seen a handful of EX500 racebikes for sale setup for the track for about a grand. And they look less like poo than the older 250s.

    Like this- http://www.ex-500.com/index.php/topic,96217.0.html
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    Race Ex500 For Sale - 2007 w/Penske
    I'm getting out of racing for financial reasons and selling all of my gear. The bike runs, will need a new chain and tires. I stored it out side under a cover during the summer and garaged in the winter. Let me know if there are any questions. Asking $1100 for everything $900 for the bike. Don't want to part it out at this time but if there isn't interest in the whole bike I'll consider it. I'll email pics on request, can't attach them b/c they're too big

    Bike details :
    2007, original motor
    Don't know the mileage as I removed the odometer
    Penske rear shock
    .95 Race Tech springs in forks
    Gold valve emulators
    Woodcraft rear sets
    Woodcraft clipons
    Air Tech body work (in rough shape)
    Braided brake lines front and rear


    Sale will include (if you want them):
    Front and rear race stands
    Box full of spare parts
    Gas can
    Extra gas tank
    Rain tires and set of rims

    I'm in Boston MA
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    Ninjettes are great... proven, good aftermarket, all that. I had a 2008 and absolutely loved it. Really fun if you keep the revs up; the party starts at 9,000 rpm and you can ride that way all day, every day, for years.

    One word about the pregen (2007 and older) vs. newgen (2008+):

    Tires.

    The older ones had 16 inch rubber. If you can find what you need in that size, then great... No other really significant differences other than bodywork. IIRC they changed the suspension slightly along the way somewhere, but not in any huge way.

    You'll probably be futzing with suspension a bit even if it's just messing with fork spring rate, oil and preload spacers. These are beginner bikes, after all, so they're undersprung and underdamped for track use. A lot of guys put GSXR shocks in them, and many also do the emulator thing with the forks.

    If you put a modest amount of money into it, you can make power about the same as a stock 300. That means jetting, filter and full exhaust, plus trivial emissions mods (basically plugging hoses and such). On a bike with low power to start with, adding a few makes a noticeable difference.

    I recommend hitting up http://www.ninjette.org... great forum with a bunch of very experienced people who know a lot about these bikes. Especially talk to Chris Smith (csmith12), a veteran racer and instructor, and all around nice guy. You might even have run into him already; he's done a couple of TTDs.
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    Does b stand for backup or bitch?
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    We could do this 2012 for a BORN price of $3,199. It already has some goodies on it to get you started, plus it looks great. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. Also financing is available and comes with a 1 year warranty

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    I have an 02 FZ1 for sale $1500. Just disconnect 3 plugs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Does b stand for backup or bitch?
    Back up for me, bitch for when friends and family ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattr302 View Post
    I've seen a handful of EX500 racebikes for sale setup for the track for about a grand. And they look less like poo than the older 250s.

    Like this- http://www.ex-500.com/index.php/topic,96217.0.html
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    That would probably work. I can't log in however. When was it posted? If its around when I come back to the states I may pick it up. My wife learned to ride on an ex500 so she may be receptive to it. She did comment on how fast it was at the time, that's why she ended up on a 400.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adouglas View Post
    Ninjettes are great... proven, good aftermarket, all that. I had a 2008 and absolutely loved it. Really fun if you keep the revs up; the party starts at 9,000 rpm and you can ride that way all day, every day, for years.

    One word about the pregen (2007 and older) vs. newgen (2008+):

    Tires.

    The older ones had 16 inch rubber. If you can find what you need in that size, then great... No other really significant differences other than bodywork. IIRC they changed the suspension slightly along the way somewhere, but not in any huge way.

    You'll probably be futzing with suspension a bit even if it's just messing with fork spring rate, oil and preload spacers. These are beginner bikes, after all, so they're undersprung and underdamped for track use. A lot of guys put GSXR shocks in them, and many also do the emulator thing with the forks.

    If you put a modest amount of money into it, you can make power about the same as a stock 300. That means jetting, filter and full exhaust, plus trivial emissions mods (basically plugging hoses and such). On a bike with low power to start with, adding a few makes a noticeable difference.

    I recommend hitting up http://www.ninjette.org... great forum with a bunch of very experienced people who know a lot about these bikes. Especially talk to Chris Smith (csmith12), a veteran racer and instructor, and all around nice guy. You might even have run into him already; he's done a couple of TTDs.

    Is tire selection that critical on a 250? It looks like people go pretty low ball on tires and have good results. Don't get me wrong, I would get the best I can but does it really make a difference on such a low powered bike?

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